He reinforced it was alright to act on the dangerous impulses this particular assortment of people had. I can still see Bill Nelson (Molesto)'s banner headline when he did the Lady Dangerous report. are with us in spirit if not in direct alliance. AKA: Linda Christian, Yana the Witch, Linda Chiochios. The Brits threw him out because he was accused of rape. Ruth's Mum wasn't in agreement with Dean and his changes. Matt saidAmazing that the defense lawyers never bothered to check on that tidbit during the months and months duration of the trialDuring the trial, she was asked a number of times about her licence. Bugliosi said. I am not heartless. !--CALIFORNIA got rid of the death penalty!!! So that's who I listen to. Leslie and Linda did not grow up any worse than thousands of other kids. Until you examine it. As opposite the teachings of Christ as one can get.Is Linda a good person? Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. No one knows why. She admits to getting into the car and being struck by the body being there but the spirit not. It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. Period. In his testimony Clem part corroborated Linda's account and Susan part did to both Richard Caballero and the Grand jury and then later when she was writing her books.and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. Many of those important questions were answered because they could be answered. Millie McCormack. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . But it's still 'spin'. A few doLinda does notBut that's just my opinion Grim- and it wont change bud :). "At what price, my friend? 'show the blacks how its done' + (3.) ITS REALLY TOO BAD!! In his closing argument, he uttered some very telling words, namely; "The motives that the co~defendants, the actual killers, had, on the other hand, was a very simple motive. Those failed strategies are ineffective in bringing about change. They both got to live out long lives. Made me think. When you have three major league supporters of Charlie that have had his ear, for example, such as Nicholas Shreck, our own George and AC Fisher Aldag all espousing different narratives, one can't help but wonder and make the comparison with the confusion that existed in the Family in the first place, with Susan saying this, Squeaky, Brenda & Sandy saying that, Linda saying the other, Tex saying blurb and Pat incoherent yet pointing to a big clue with her writing and Leslie saying something else.It seems to be catching around Charlie.If Fleischmann actually did come up with that plan to knock Atkins out of the last seat in the life boat it was brilliantTruly.That said, Richard Caballero had said all along that he felt Susan would never testify against Charlie at trial. She was a witness for the District Attorney, Vincent Bugliosi. I ended up running away at 18 and skipped the country. But still, nobody is going to argue if you apply terms like bad and evil to Tex. Even though she was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders, because she was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Charles Manson and his followers for the 1969 killings, Kasabian received immunity. AustinAnn74 saidI never thought she was an innocent flower childOf her being a Hippie he commented that "if any witness was ever placed under a microscope, it was Linda Kasabian, and I am convinced that each and every one of you saw the same thing under that microscope, a young hippie girl whose aimless drug oriented life tragically led her to Spahn Ranch, Charles Manson, and two nights of murder ~ two nights of horror"Hippies were not seen as the vanguard of morality or these nice folk that straight society looked to as the shining example of what young people were to be. Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). Linda Kasabian was born Linda Drouin on June 21, 1949 in Biddeford, Maine. Now I wonder IF her previously hidden past was NOT fairly typical for many young folks brought up in almost meaningless environments all across America and beyond its borders.AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. Man, that got ugly in a hurry. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. And refused. No other reason." Always was. I do feel in those cases- had they gone along those nights I would still put them away- but I could get the understanding after all these years of why people would feel bad for them.By the way ever see what Ruth ended up looking like as an adult? Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. Bugliosi did say that he had planned to question Susan later so who knows, it may have come up. She chose to be the way she wasAround the age of 14, I chose to be the way I am and have been doing so ever since. Only the main core of 20 to 30 stayed consistently. Both were at the Spahn Ranch near Chatsworth, stronghold of the 35-year-old Manson's nomadic cult of young people. There is some fiddling and fuddling around the issue, all three men clarify that it was to be so but none of them ever push Susan or Leslie on it because the 2nd death squad didn't actually do anything. MY double talk is meant to show there are, at least, two sides to every person's STORY (especially Linda's) AND I don't hate ANYONE, except maybe MYSELF. There were a number of details like this that came out, even worse ones during the Watson trial. Dreath saidProbably move the goal posts was not the best turn of a phrase. During the Tate-LaBianca murders, Kasabian. Robert, Robert, Robert, I'm really confused. She turned State's Evidence and received immunity in exchange for her testimony, which was without a doubt, the most damaging to the family. She does go on to say that it was because she did not want to face the whole thing while pregnant, but still, she knew she was pregnant when she told her husband, Joe Sage and Jeffrey Jacobs.The intention of testifying I guess only becomes a hot issue after the indictments and at that point, is it really unusual for there to have been some uncertainty on her part as to what she was going to do ?Look at the words Mr. Fleischman uses- I see him convincing her she needed to be a prosecution witnessThat was interesting. That's why anything said after a leading question should be tossed in the waste bin. [STOP right here! Two people had spread that around long before Linda herself was even arrested. And if robbery or burglary had been the motive, there wouldn't have been any need to print the words in the victims' blood at the scene of both residences. When I've told people of how I came to be living there and what I experienced in those 4 years and how I got away, people think it's ever such a dramatic tale. I'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissed.Linda's report cards packed with A's and B's? After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. But I don't think so. var part2 = "mansonblog.com"; It doesn't really matter. And she said, "It's too late." One gunshot would have sufficed. She readily joined the Manson family who supported themselves by indulging in petty crimes like stealing money from homes and selling drugs. Dreath saidI don't believe she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truthThat could depend on what you suspect to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. Pat never admitted to it though it was in her thought process, just not as the specific reason for being at Cielo. I should have found a way and not gone over the fence and run down the hill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE8_N-eBm_4Bill Clinton in London during 'Nam was a CIA plant who spied on the Anti-war protesters. var part3 = "GW at Mansonblog dot com"; It certainly wasn't even a consideration when she gives her own point of view on why she recanted.All 5 Tate/LaBianca killers, when apart from Charlie told others he'd orchestrated the murders. Anniversary thoughts- Leary7 said it best. How could you skip that? Dreath saidWhen Patti Tate asks Good why her sister had to die. When he meets up with or has contact with Pat, she waives extradition, even though she's told Claude Brown she's scared of Manson finding & killing her. More weight does not necessarily make it right or definitive.That said, quoting various bods is more for the interest of seeing exactly what they did say about certain of the incidents/matters we're all discussing and sometimes providing illumination.If Watson is attacking Voytek..And Krenwinkel is chasing AbigailAnd then Sadie came running out of the house, Who was watching Sharon Tate?No one. She was the chief witness at the prosecution of Manson and his followers for the Tate LaBianca murders. Because the logical conclusion of your implication is that he was obsessed with "getting" Charles Manson, even to the extent that he would frame an innocent man and see him rot in jail for life. St Circumstance saidThat's the point lol. So did Hitler. Linda grew up in a broken home where her parents separated and remarried while she was still young. It was not bizarre. When I put this thing together while the high school stuff was fun, for me the heart of the matter was the 'Odyssey' article. The Clinton supporter saying people blindly follower a liarLOL.Despite her being responsible for mass destruction and chaos over seas, the death of thousands, creation of a monstrous terrorist organization and lying to the American people and blaming Trump for a rise in animosity towards the west and not her own war crimes.Try looking beyond the headlines and surface and try to use that brain. Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. How about the ones who went into service and spent the war stateside?BTW: I was one of the cowards who got a college degree during that time. There wasn't enough room in the car for Cappy to go, so WHY didn't SHE just hitch a ride down to the hamburger stand, slit a throat and steal some fries ? "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." It must have taken a lot of time and effort to research and put this post together. ?I don't think money or looks has anything to do with it, nor do I personally care much who anyone else has sympathy for. Apprently asking why was out of line and a sin. Damn that clock radio. No screaming for it to stop, etcThat would possibly be because at the time Kasabian asked for it to be stopped, Pat was inside struggling with Folger or chasing her through Tate's bedroom out to the pool. Maybe some of you can pound beers everyday and do your bowls and never have a bad thought. She is a good person, who became involved with the wrong people. Granted, the residents could be difficult and particularly nasty to those that were not English {ie, most of them} but they can't all have been 'off' days ! Manson, the mastermind criminal with an "uncanny ability" to brainwash people sent a girl who was on the ranch for a only a few weeks out on a murder mission, and didn't tell her the plan apparently.because she was licensed to drive?NOW. So when I started my lawsuits, I went to a Salvation Army store and with the luck of the Vikings, some guy had just donated a bunch of HIS custom made Italian suits. Linda and Robert had a daughter named Tanya in 1968. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". She married, divorced, remarried, and gave birth to a daughter in 1968. In 30 years I have had that happen twice I can remember. Her background should have had a greater impact. var part1 = "gw"; Her parents separated while she was still young with Rosaire remarrying and moving to Miami, Florida. Lots of Hippies were thought of as people that stole, didn't work, openly espoused drugs, were anti authority and anti establishment, sponged, dropped children all over the place and exposed their kids to things no child should even be aware of. It doesn't need to be personal. Believe it or not the closest I think I could get would be Atkins because IF you believe Kasabian she didn't kill anyone. The brackets are my comments. Murder Cases of the Twentieth Century - Biographies and Bibliographies of 280 Convicted or Accused Killers, discrepancies between evidence and narrative, discrepancies between physical evidence and testimony, Manson Exposed A Reporter's 50 Year Journey into Madness and Murder, Manson Speaks: Inside the Mind of a Madman, MANSON The Live and Times of Charles Manson, movie review. That Tex was the nicest guy. I read this post and it clearly paints a picture to me that maybe others see differently. It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. How perfect did the stars align for the prosecutor that there was one angel among the group. "That Bugliosi doesn't speak contemptuously about her should always be balanced by the fact that in commenting on her life at the time, what he says is often negative. The mission, ladies and gentlemen, the mission of these defendants on both nights, was murder. "HS in it's entirety, with all it's separate parts and attendant packages were clearly part of her thinking.Dreath saidI still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or somethingIn her 2011 hearing, she said "When I went to the house with Tex (inaudible), I should have immediately left. Thank you for this post- very interesting and thought provoking. ?I think Linda is one person people on both sides can agree was no good personally. Horrified, Linda looked him in the eye and said "sorry," just before he collapsed. We may be more sophisticated now {or maybe just more easily sucked in by salacious red herrings} but the jury often gets a bad press, being portrayed as ignorant ding~a~lings that were easily swayed by Nixon {never mind that some of them had no time for Nixon} whereas if you ask me, they were pretty conscientious for the most part.On top of that, Linda bared all, which made it difficult for any historical shit to stick. From there, Linda and Tanya flew back to New Mexico, only to hitchhike all the way to her father's home in Florida, and finally back to her mother in New Hampshire. Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. But what happened before and after that. )I don't see her as having a personality disorder, just a consistently lawless mindset, which doesn't invalidate her ability or sometime willingness to do what is right. If she just forgot it at home, I suspect it would be mentioned as having "No license" or "without".Oh and $150,000 sold confession, book deal and promise of immunity from the gas chamber is a sell out move. ?I do not get it at all.. there is a human side to this and there are a couple of people to pity who got involved with Charlie. Their involvement in the murders was soon discovered. Funny how his client shortly after turned out to be the best evidence against himWhat's so funny about that ? Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. However, problems between the young couple led Linda and Tanya back to New Hampshire. 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